Reading through some of the commentary, a couple of repeating messages caught my eye. The first is the low value assessment the mainstream conservative commentariat continues to make of men:
To believe that soldiers, officers, and policymakers will react identically to female casualties — or to videos of female troops being tortured by al-Qaeda — is to deny human nature.This theme was echoed across the Right, from the web to television shows to talk radio. The unmistakable message: we value our daughters more than our sons. So much so that we don't give second thought to sending our sons off to die, but tie ourselves into knots at the mere prospect of doing the same with our daughters. No wonder women are outpacing men in nearly every significant metric...except as homicide and suicide vics, and war dead of course. Our daughters are simply more important to us, and our sons know it, so why bother, really? Moreover, dead female soldiers will be mourned as dead female soldiers. Dead male soldiers...well, they don't exist. They're just soldiers, after all, and if they die, they might merit a brief mention in the local news. They, apparently, are expendable. I've argued the opposite--that it is men who are the indisposable sex nowadays. But I'm in the minority, clearly.
The second is that the drive to more military jobs open to women ignores long-available objective data:*
The "USMA report on the Integration and Performance of Women at West Point", cited by Mackubin Thomas Owens, in Proceedings (July 1998) reveals sex-norming schemes whereby women receive A grades for the same performance that earns a man a D. Navy women pass physical readiness tests by performing 11% fewer sit-ups, 53% fewer push-ups, and running 1.5 miles 27% slower than men. The Marine Corps discovered that only 45% of female Marines could toss a hand grenade beyond its burst radius; one Army study reported only 12% could. Navy studies show that only 12% of women can accomplish the two-person stretcher carry, a requirement critical to ship security. Women may be able to drive a five-ton truck, but need a man's help if they must change a tire. Women can fire field artillery pieces but often can't handle the ammunition.and the testimony of those men
Senator Olympia Snowe (R.ME) says, "Every time a woman is excluded from a position [in the military], she is devalued." That's the kind of stupid thinking that ignores important physical and psychological sex differences and has compromised our military readiness. A partial listing of those differences include: the average female soldier is five inches shorter than her male counter-part, has half the upper body strength, has significantly lower aerobic capacity (at her physical peak, ages 20 to 30, the average woman has the aerobic capacity of a 50-year-old male), and 37% less muscle mass. Women have a much lighter skeleton that means, among other things, she can't pull G forces as well as men and is at greater risk of skeletal injuries.
Women soldiers are four times more likely to report ill. The percentage of women being medically non-available at any time is twice that of male soldiers. Then there's pregnancy. Each year, between 10 and 17 percent of servicewomen become pregnant. In certain posts the rate is higher. In 1988, James Webb, Secretary of the Navy, said 51% of single Air Force and 48% of single Navy women stationed in Iceland were pregnant. During troop deployment in Bosnia, between December 1995 and July 1996, a woman had to be evacuated due to pregnancy every three days. These and other factors mean that women suffer a higher rate of attrition than men...
The invasion was a blitzkrieg. The goal was to move as fast to Baghdad as possible. The column would not stop for a lance corporal, sergeant, lieutenant, or even a company commander to go to the restroom. Sometimes we spent over 48 hours on the move without exiting the vehicles. We were forced to urinate in empty water bottles inches from our comrades. Many Marines developed dysentery from the complete lack of sanitary conditions. When an uncontrollable urge hit a Marine, he would be forced to stand, as best he could, hold an MRE bag up to his rear, and defecate inches from his seated comrade's face.and women
During the invasion, we wore chemical protective suits because of the fear of chemical or biological weapon attack. These are equivalent to a ski jumpsuit and hold in the heat. We also had to wear black rubber boots over our desert boots. On the occasions the column did stop, we would quickly peel off our rubber boots, desert boots and socks to let our feet air out. Due to the heat and sweat, layers of our skin would peel off our feet. However, we rarely had time to remove our suits or perform even the most basic hygiene. We quickly developed sores on our bodies.
When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month and our chemical protective suits were covered in a mixture of filth and dried blood. We were told to strip and place our suits in pits to be burned immediately. My unit stood there in a walled-in compound in Baghdad, naked, sores dotted all over our bodies, feet peeling, watching our suits burn. Later, they lined us up naked and washed us off with pressure washers.
As a woman and a U.S. Marine Corps veteran, I’m not so sure. To those who have been agitating for this step, I say this: be careful what you wish for....who've been there and done that.
At this point, we only know the broad outlines of the new policy. The service branches have until 2016 to implement the new policy and to determine if some positions should remain closed to women. Many women will find out in the long haul that combat entails unprecedented physical stress. As it is now, many women have greater duress on their bodies than men with the physical requirements and are discharged at higher rates from the duress on knees, hips, ankles, and joints. That reality will only be exacerbated in combat. Will physical performance standards be adjusted (that is, made less stringent) to accommodate women? And then there’s the emotional duress that troops in combat endure. I’ve seen many women in the Marines who chose not to reenlist due to the extreme emotional hardships of service. It isn't an easy culture to handle.
It goes beyond physical limitations—the object of military culture is to defeat the enemy and kill anything that is a threat. There is a constant mode of aggression; I’ve seen too many women who enlisted and completed training, but soon learned they simply couldn’t face that dark reality on a daily basis
On the upside, perhaps with this move, the hybrid have-cake-and-eat-it-too women-in-the-military situation will be finally rectified. Perhaps sex-normed physical performance standards will finally be ushered out. Perhaps fathers will receive the same post-partum leave as mothers, doled out with equal amounts of career impact. Perhaps also that women will, finally, be required to register for Selective Service...and at long last be able to serve their Republic in the same manner that their brothers have done since the Founding. No more suffering the indignity of being a civic halfling...the shame of being able to vote others into combat while being ineligible to perform the societal duty that suffrage requires.
I'll close this post by noting that it appears to be a small cabal of feminist agitators that want women in combat branches. As usual, the demo of these activists is precisely the same as the core of feminism in general...UMC women. They want combat billets open, not because they'll do as good or better a job as men, but because they want the career opportunities (i..e, combat, command) garnered there, LMC/poor women and all men be damned. Don't worry though. The traditionalists and complementarians will work hard to ensure that said women will get their combat job opportunities while continuing to minimize/eliminate the risks that come with it.**
Once again, we see feminists and trad-cons tag-teaming to cement the socio-politico-sexual supremacy to female sex of the species. Have cake, eat it some more.
* Factory at Hunting for Archetypes wonders if progress in exoskeleton technology will someday soon erase or greatly shrink the strength and endurance differentials between men and women.
** Women were 2% of the casualties in Iraq, despite being around 15% of the active-duty force
16 comments:
I left a comment over at What's Wrong With the World on this subject. The post there was in general opposition to women in combat from a traditioanlist/complementarian perspective, and certainly in opposition to the draft.
I left a comment there, with the thrust of: (1) women in combat is happening already, this step just takes us the last 1/4 mile to the finish line, (2) what does discomfort women in combat and conscripting women into military service say about the value placed on men's lives relative to women, and (3) the link between suffrage and duty to defend the society.
I note that my comment did not make it through moderation.
Feminists don't want women in combat - they want women to have the choice. They also want the medals. And PC will ensure they get the choice and the medals but not the risks - these risks will be taken up by men. Very few women will get to die, but they will get to boast.
This isn't about women in combat or women serving or about how hard combat is. It is about a very smal handful of women having the chance to be 4 star generals and running the Army. Right now, the Army favors people who have been senior commanders. Since all division commanders and corps commanders must have been Infantry Armor or Field Artillery and those are all male branches, the highest positions are closed to them.
The whole DoD can go to hell in a handbasket as long as three more women make 4 star general.
And we won't bother pointing out that most male offerers don't become generals either.
But the easy fix for this is to stop prefering Division commanders must be combat arms officers. Go ahead and let the woman who was a truck battalion commander command the whole division.
Finally, In a peace time army, none of this maters. The entire DoD is just a federal jobs program. The DoD hiring and promotion structure has been bent to serve special groups for decades. The armed forces are totally under the control of the politicians for their own use.
--Hale
I agree with some of the prior comments, this is not about putting women in combat positions.
Somehow, I suspect, there is a money or power angle involved here.
I just cannot figure it out...
Do soldiers get some kind of retirement plan?
Better medical treatment?
Of course, the high-ranking soldiers get power - and I have no doubt that women will climb the ranks faster - once women start complaining about how unbalanced the number of male to female high-ranking officials is...
There is an alternative angle here - I just have a gut feeling.
Everyone in the military gets the same retirement plan and health benefits. The health benefits are the same for everyone and the retirement is based on your rank and years of service.
Enlisted women will get no benefit from this because they already stay in their branch for their whole career. This is about officers getting high level commands, as if they are entitled to them.
"Once again, we see feminists and trad-cons tag-teaming to cement the socio-politico-sexual supremacy to female sex of the species. Have cake, eat it some more."
no american guy should ever "serve" a nation who hates him for his maleness, persecutes fatherhood and sonship as matter of national policy, and has already established the effective enslavement of his gender across the West
if the matriarchy had been ruling over the West in '71 -- like it is now -- then instead of serving at the Weapons Lab, i'd have been a weapon
the blogger "dalrock" also has a good write-up on the satanic psychology behind this latest manouver by the gynogulag (and stop me if i'm repeating myself here heh) . . . the idea of female invasion of the male military is to cleanse the last shreds of male self-respect and masculine pride from the United Sisterhood of America
he's right, too
just WAIT til y'all see what other goodies the gulag is cookin' up for ya! :O)
I note that my comment did not make it through moderation
why are you complaining to us?
youre the one who features them on YOUR blogroll
mebbe you should stop featuring those who arent your friends, and start featuring those who are? ... hey just a wild suggestion from "mr crazy"
I vote for registering for the draft being tied with registering to vote.
Granted, registering to vote is apparently unnecessary to cast one, seems to me that if you want to vote, you can serve.
I'd give up my right to vote if it means I get to stay home with my kids. As it is, I'm ineligible for the draft. I wouldn't make it past the physical =p
@ Balor,
"They also want the medals"
I'd say they were successful.
@ Hale,
"...Division commanders must be combat arms officers"
Usually, these guys are drawn from the ranks of those who've actually been there and done that. IOW, white males. The military can't stand the optics of such a situation in today's anti-meritorious, pluralist society. Not even after AA is applied at accession and and after women/minority-only set-aside awards, etc.
Thus comes take-anybody-so-long-as-its-not-a-white-guy "diversity" to the rescue...to save the pale males from themselves.
" This is about officers getting high level commands,"
Agreed. The usual feminist demo at it again...UMC white women, making trouble for everyone else, writing checks others will have to cash.
@ Ray,
"no american guy should ever "serve" a nation who hates him for his maleness"
I'm starting to think that, if a man--particularly a white one--is to enter the military, it is with a ruthless self-interest in mind.
Forget all these high-toned ideals of patriotism or service. The military has demonstrated its contempt for masculine men and its hatred for Christian values. The watchphrases should be "What's in it for me?"..and "what color is my parachute?".
Sad that I've come to this conclusion...I'd really rather it be about honor and patriotism, but one has to deal with the situation as it is, not what one would rather it be.
"youre the one who features them on YOUR blogroll"
No, not really.
@ Christina,
"Granted, registering to vote is apparently unnecessary to cast one"
hahahahahahahahaha! +1 to you. And your comment, quite accidentally, quite upends my whole theory about suffrage being tied to service. We (literally) give it away to anybody. Even dead ppl.
I'm starting to think that, if a man--particularly a white one--is to enter the military, it is with a ruthless self-interest in mind
well what with the Full Female Employment Economy supreme (heh) quite a few are forced to enter strictly for financial reasons, esp young married guys w kids . . . plus the reservists, hoping to get skipped (which they usually dont lol)
by far the best thing about my military days was male separateness, teamwork, camraderie... uh did i mention separateness?
No, not really.
yeah i see they got downsized, anything to prove me rong eh? :O)
"they got downsized"
In fairness, I axed them pretty recently. I found that I didn't read them very often any more.
I have friends who were in Iraq. One was an infantry Captain. He spoke of 18 to 20 hour days for months on end. Carrying and wearing 100-150 pounds of gear in 110 degree heat. 4-5 hours of sleep a night for months on end. There are maybe a few hundred women in the world who could handle that kind of physical stress. But, yet most men can. Women have absolutely no place in an infantry or combat role.
I'm all for it.
1. All male divisions. Take statistics.
2. Mixed units male/female. Take statistics.
3. All female units. Take statistics.
Attrition, failure to deploy, medical issues, combat effectiveness, deaths in AOR.
These variables and others could be used in the next conflict.
Follow this up with every single women who is captured; whether rape or beheadings there will be no Navy SEAL rescue, no putting the video up on line; just soldiers marching to combat beats.
If women decide to "opt out," then too bad; because now you are on the Selective Service rolls. There will be no reason to opt out then.
We will see how long this lasts.
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